Pandora Day 2

[alexpk]

So I cut and pasted this list and updated:

Claims:
HB - Augustine
BP - Sully
Alex - Trudy Chacon
LH - Neytin
RG - Scully
BEG - None
Pariah - Mo'at

Is this right?  BEG you're the only one who hasn't stated a name and yet you have two abilities?

[BrownEyedGirl]

I'm not going to risk taking out the psyhic.  My other choice would be LH, but I want to see how this message thing turns out.  Until someone convinces me otherwise....

Vote:  No Lynch

[alexpk]

Ok I have received a halu message.

[honeybee]

I'm not going to risk taking out the psyhic.  My other choice would be LH, but I want to see how this message thing turns out.  Until someone convinces me otherwise....

Vote:  No Lynch

Have you ever not been so stubborn?

[CurtainCall]

VOTE COUNT:

BrownEyedGirl (1): RG
RobsGirl (1): BP
No Lynch (1): BEG

Not Voting:
Alexpk
Honeybee
Lionheart
Pariah

The Day will end at 2:30PM, Friday, March 5th

[alexpk]

I can confirm the question from LH:
What was the name of the Senior League team I played for?

- Do I post the answer?

*EDIT, man I suck at typing...  mis-spelled "can"

[Lionheart]

So then you're counter-claiming me, BEG.

A. You're the only on who hasn't said their name.
B. I've said who I am, and am attempting to proove that with the message thing.
C. No one (and I remind you, you're the only one left) has countered me.

So, you must, be making a counter-claim here.  Or you're a Wolf.

[bobbyplump]

Yeah, BEG, you need to spill your name here. What is holding you up now?

[BrownEyedGirl]

So I cut and pasted this list and updated:

Claims:
HB - Augustine
BP - Sully
Alex - Trudy Chacon
LH - Neytin
RG - Scully
BEG - None
Pariah - Mo'at

Is this right?  BEG you're the only one who hasn't stated a name and yet you have two abilities?

That's right.  

[Lionheart]

I can confirm the question from LH:
What was the name of the Senior League team I played for?

- Do I post the answer?

*EDIT, man I suck at typing...  mis-spelled "can"

Please do!

[alexpk]

LH is clear in my book. 

The answer is:
"Twins"

[alexpk]

That's right.  

I think it's time to step up and claim a name.  If name-claiming kills the town, we're done at this point anyway.

[Lionheart]

Alex - That is the correct answer!  Thank you.

[BrownEyedGirl]

Yeah, BEG, you need to spill your name here. What is holding you up now?

What's holding me up is that I don't know why IGN died.  I don't know if the wolves have powers.  I don't know if the wolves are looking for a certain player.  Maybe they have to call that player by name, before they can kill them.......I just don't know!!!!   And....I don't want to risk losing my rez gift, because you all are pressuring me.  I'm not going to tell my name, until after I've used my rez, which I will do tonight.  You will know my name tomorrow, if I live through the night.  

Is that paranoid or reasonable?   I think it is cautious.  The rest of you just offerered your name so easily.  This is a closed game, and anything is possible.

[BrownEyedGirl]

So then you're counter-claiming me, BEG.

A. You're the only on who hasn't said their name.
B. I've said who I am, and am attempting to proove that with the message thing.
C. No one (and I remind you, you're the only one left) has countered me.

So, you must, be making a counter-claim here.  Or you're a Wolf.

You people have lost your marbles.

Did I ever say I was counter claiming you?  SHOW ME WHERE!
You aren't listening to reason.

[bobbyplump]

BEG, what is your best guess about what happened to IGN last night?

[alexpk]

Ok here's my list as of right now (AORN)

Cleared villas:
BP  OR  RG  -both claimed scully/psychic
LH - Neytin
Alex (me) - Trudy Chacon

which leaves 1-2 wolves here:
HB - Augustine
BEG - None; two special powers
Pariah - Mo'at

[Lionheart]

And you're not following the logic of the situation.  

I have now been cleared.  You're the only one that hasn't stated your name.  You suspect me.  No else had countered me and all others had stated their names.  The only logical recourse is that you are countering me.  Since I've been cleared, that makes you Wolf.

Vote: BEG

[BrownEyedGirl]

Have you ever not been so stubborn?

What do you mean?  

If I have to vote for one of the two....BP or RG.  I'm voting for BP.

Are you with me?  Do you want to risk it?  Or shall we take the safer route, and keep our numbers up?  You are the only one that I trust.....you tell me.

[alexpk]

Ok here's my list as of right now (AORN)

Cleared villas:
BP  OR  RG  -both claimed scully/psychic
LH - Neytin
Alex (me) - Trudy Chacon

which leaves 1-2 wolves here:
HB - Augustine
BEG - None; two special powers
Pariah - Mo'at

Compare and contrast to HB's list:

HB villa
LH villa
BEG villa
BP leaning villa
Alexpk wolf
RG wolf
Pariah wolf

[BrownEyedGirl]

And you're not following the logic of the situation.  

I have now been cleared.  You're the only one that hasn't stated your name.  You suspect me.  No else had countered me and all others had stated their names.  The only logical recourse is that you are countering me.  Since I've been cleared, that makes you Wolf.

Vote: BEG

OMG.....where did this come from, LH.  I never, ever said I was countering you.  I said I suspected you of being a wolf.

I also came up with a way for you to clear yourself as Na'vi......why would I do that?  I did that to help ME make up my mind if you were a wolf or not.  I believe you are who you say you are.

If you must know......I'm Max Patel.......but, it's a mute point now, right?
If something bizzare happens, and I lose the rez power, it's all your fault.  I was trying to play pro-village and cautious.  This is just crazy.

[Lionheart]

What do you mean?  

If I have to vote for one of the two....BP or RG.  I'm voting for BP.

Are you with me?  Do you want to risk it?  Or shall we take the safer route, and keep our numbers up?  You are the only one that I trust.....you tell me.

One desperate Wolf seeking help and guidance from another Wolf?

[BrownEyedGirl]

And you're not following the logic of the situation.  

I have now been cleared.  You're the only one that hasn't stated your name.  You suspect me.  No else had countered me and all others had stated their names.  The only logical recourse is that you are countering me.  Since I've been cleared, that makes you Wolf.

Vote: BEG

Oh....and another thing.  I think it is completely possible for a wolf to claim Na'vi, and another wolf say that they received the message.  There's been plenty of time to cook something like that up in the cave.

Why do you think you are "cleared" ?  You are more clear in my mind, but nobody is confirmed until they are dead.

[bobbyplump]

If something bizzare happens, and I lose the rez power, it's all your fault.  I was trying to play pro-village and cautious.  This is just crazy.

Way to set up your Day 3 excuse when there's no Rez.

[Lionheart]

OMG.....where did this come from, LH.  I never, ever said I was countering you.  I said I suspected you of being a wolf.

I also came up with a way for you to clear yourself as Na'vi......why would I do that?  I did that to help ME make up my mind if you were a wolf or not.  I believe you are who you say you are.

If you must know......I'm Max Patel.......but, it's a mute point now, right?
If something bizzare happens, and I lose the rez power, it's all your fault.  I was trying to play pro-village and cautious.  This is just crazy.

BEG, I love you, you know that.  But it's over.  You're caught.  Hung out to dry.  If you follow the logic of your own words and the actions of others, there is no other alternative.  You are Wolf.

[Lionheart]

Oh....and another thing.  I think it is completely possible for a wolf to claim Na'vi, and another wolf say that they received the message.  There's been plenty of time to cook something like that up in the cave.

Why do you think you are "cleared" ?  You are more clear in my mind, but nobody is confirmed until they are dead.

That is a possibility.  But without a counter claim, not likely. 

[BrownEyedGirl]

BEG, I love you, you know that.  But it's over.  You're caught.  Hung out to dry.  If you follow the logic of your own words and the actions of others, there is no other alternative.  You are Wolf.

You are so wrong it hurts.

Show me......post by post.....explain it to me.

[BrownEyedGirl]

That is a possibility.  But without a counter claim, not likely. 

Did you even read my post?  I said you are more clear in my mind.

I thought you said I countered you.

Good Lord, you are confusing me....make up your mind.....Show me, wth you are ranting about.

[honeybee]

Ok here's my list as of right now (AORN)

Cleared villas:
BP  OR  RG  -both claimed scully/psychic
LH - Neytin
Alex (me) - Trudy Chacon

which leaves 1-2 wolves here:
HB - Augustine
BEG - None; two special powers
Pariah - Mo'at

Are you on DRUGS?

I am NOT a WOLF!  No one has countered me...like you or LH...I am exactly on the same standing.

[honeybee]

One desperate Wolf seeking help and guidance from another Wolf?

OMG...this day has been insane...

I am not a wolf...I am the MF'ing Priest!

[Lionheart]

Maybe BEG is just trying to drag you under with her, HB ?

I'm not at all convinced (yet) you're Wolf.

[honeybee]

Maybe BEG is just trying to drag you under with her, HB ?

I'm not at all convinced (yet) you're Wolf.

Perhaps!  I'm just trying to figure out what i am going to do tonight

[honeybee]

So things I'd like to see from everyone today.

Everyone step up and declare their name.
Did you get a message from the na'vi last night?
List of villagers/wolves.

I'm Trudy Chacon.
I did not get a message.
HB was high on my radar, but she's claimed a major figure and a special role.  Without a counter-claim, she's clear in my eyes.
I think BEG has been villagery. 
I tend to believe pariah.
I dunno about the rest.

BTW...you had me as wolf...then villa...then back to being a wolf.

So if I suck...so do you :-P

[BrownEyedGirl]

Maybe BEG is just trying to drag you under with her, HB ?

I'm not at all convinced (yet) you're Wolf.

What in the hell are you talking about, LH?  

You show me your proof....Show me what you are talking about.

I'm outta here, and I gotta work at my 2nd job tonight, so I won't be online any more till late.

I hope to hear from some rational thinking villagers, when I get back.

[honeybee]

Between RG and BP...

I just believe RG.  I must be losing my mind.  She did have an issue with BP at the beginning of the day...and noted as much.

BP made his first post as to being the psychic on post #34 (I think) where he said in not so many words that he knew that BEG couldn't be the psychic.

At that point BP had not revealed that he was the psychic.  Is there a way for someone who has seen the movie to say that the Character and role are an easy association.

Because it would be remarkable if BP was able to correctly guess the ROLE and CHARACTER correctly...

unless...that was one of the things the wolves were able to do...perhaps investigae a player and their role...it has happend before.

Maybe that is why BP wanted everyone to reveal.

[Lionheart]

Perhaps!  I'm just trying to figure out what i am going to do tonight

Was that a rhetorical question, HB?  What you're going to do tonight?

[Lionheart]

I'll be OL until later this evening.  I'll try again to make my assertions clear.

[honeybee]

Was that a rhetorical question, HB?  What you're going to do tonight?

I don't know who to protect...I was thinking earlier today that it would be a cut and dry decision. 

I am soooo confused

[bobbyplump]

My first allusion to being the Priest is post #13 today.

HB and LH are the most town to me right now.

It's a subtle reference. HB was at the top of my list on Day 1 (D1 posts 9, 48, and 109). At the beginning of Day 2, she's the most town to me.

BEG said:

What?  I thought you suspected HB on Day 1?

And I responded in post 31:

I did suspect HB on Day 1

Then in Post 34, as you said, I said I know BEG can't be the psychic.

[RobsGirl]

My first allusion to being the Priest is post #13 today.

It's a subtle reference. HB was at the top of my list on Day 1 (D1 posts 9, 48, and 109). At the beginning of Day 2, she's the most town to me.

BEG said:

And I responded in post 31:

Then in Post 34, as you said, I said I know BEG can't be the psychic.

Your first allusion to being the Priest?  I thought you said you were the Psychic?  Feeling a little backed into a corner, Wolfie?

[honeybee]

BP is this where you go "D'oh!"

[bobbyplump]

Nah. That stuff happens when you are typing fast.

I obviously wasn't alluding to being the Priest. The priest wouldn't be able to clear HB during the night.

This is where RG ignores the meat of the post to nitpick at typos.

[RobsGirl]

How do you typo P-R-I-E-S-T for P-S-Y-C-H-I-C?  You make your living using words, don't you?  I find it hard to believe this is a typo.

[bobbyplump]

Was it a typo when you said you usually don't vote on Day 1, but always do?

[CurtainCall]

VOTE COUNT (It takes 4 to lynch):

BrownEyedGirl (2): RG, LH
RobsGirl (1): BP
No Lynch (1): BEG

Not Voting:
Alexpk
Honeybee
Pariah

The Day will end at 2:30PM, Friday, March 5th

[honeybee]

So I was in the middle of a long post explaining that as a village…we need to re-group and think.

Thinking about no-lynch vs. lynch and numbers I got to thinking.  What if we are wrong.  Could we just screw ourselves into a loss?  We are wrong…tomorrow is LYOL…

Is it?

This is a closed game.  There were 9 players to start.  Did we start with 3 wolves and 6 villagers?  Did we start with 2 wolves, a half, and 5 villagers?  Did we start with 2 wolves and 7 villagers?

You know who made the big numbers push?  Oh it was BobbyPlump.

Here:

I should qualify that statement.

It won't 100% verify BEG. The wolves could decide to "no kill".

But "no kill" is a win for us as well, because it keeps our numbers up and allows the Psychic to work at least one extra night.

If we "no lynch" today, it makes "no kill" even less palatable for the wolves. Because we'd still be in a 5-2 situation on Day 3, and would still need to mislynch TWICE to lose.

And here:

Yeah, it's a strategy...a LOSING strategy. In the earlier days of this site, we ignored the sure thing time and time again, and we kept getting burnt.

Think about it. If you lynch BEG and are wrong, we are in LYLO tomorrow. That means the town has to choose between me and you, with no chance to recover if we pick wrong.

HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WOLVES THERE ARE?

[bobbyplump]

HB, I got two wolves from the sign-up thread, where GH said there would be two wolves.

[alexpk]

BTW...you had me as wolf...then villa...then back to being a wolf.

So if I suck...so do you :-P

Yeah I'm confused.  Hey, as I think about it, that should help prove I'm a villa...

Anyway, we have a lot of claims around special powers for the village.  I have to believe that there are some special powers for the wolves too, just too keep this game balanced.

I'm not voting right now because I don't want to (mistakenly) push a villager closer to lynch and we have a day.  But a "no lynch" vote is terribly awful as a villager.  ::ahem BEG::

*EDIT: yeah, yeah another typo

[honeybee]

Yeah I'm confused.  Hey, as I think about it, that should help prove I'm a villa...

Anyway, we have a lot of claims around special powers for the village.  I have to believe that there are some special powers for the wolves to, just too keep this game balanced.

I'm not voting right now because I don't want to (mistakenly) push a villager closer to lynch and we have a day.  But a "no lynch" vote is terribly awful as a villager.  ::ahem BEG::

*EDIT: yeah, yeah another typo

I can agree with you on this. 

[honeybee]

HB, I got two wolves from the sign-up thread, where GH said there would be two wolves.

That was when the game was 6/2, but then St. Sebastian came in and it pushed the game to 9 players.

we don't know what the numbers look like